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Is Ole the right man for Man Utd?  


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First of all I’ll admit I am a Man Utd fan so maybe my views are biased or I am too emotionally involved but when I ask myself do I think Ole the right manager for us my answer is I think he is not. He has done a lot of good things since he has come in like getting rid of players that do not want to play for us and also reducing the age of the squad. However, as a manager I do not think he has the skills or knowledge to progress to where we want to be. I hope I am wrong as any fan of their club would want one of their own to succeed but in Ole case I do not see it for a few reasons.

When he took over the job initially it was a caretaker role. The atmosphere at the club was negative and the club, management and fans were all unhappy. Ole with he’s smile injected positivity into the club and had a good run of results at the start. This was not that surprising as usually caretaker roles tend to have a positive good effect. However, after the start the results went negative and the season ended with a number of poor results. To be fair to Ole this wasn’t he’s squad and maybe the attitude of some players in it was poor but my concerns with Ole started here as I did not know what he’s style of play or football philosophy was. I saw players working harder, which to be fair fans of all clubs expect or at least want but other than that I could see recognise any style of play. Now I am not a football coach so maybe others could see something I couldn’t but going forward with Ole I said to a friend of mine we look pretty basic with our play. I also said to my friend at times I almost feel like Ole does not know what he is doing so wondered if he had a style of play or philosophy to which my friend said surely all managers do. In responding to this I asked my friend if Ole does have a philosophy and style of play then why did he not bring he’s backroom staff with him when he took over the manager job full time? He took over the club with Mourinho backroom staff which wasn’t working so if he does have a team of people at Molde that knows how he works why are they not with him? When managers take new jobs they tend to take their people with them but Ole kept what he was given. When Mourinho took over we all thought Giggs would be he’s number 2 to which Mourinho said he’s already got he’s own man. When Klopp took over Liverpool there was talk of Gerrard being he’s number 2 to which Klopp said he has he’s own and left Gerrard with the under 18s.  In Ole defence he is not in the same league as Mourinho or Klopp as a manager so maybe he was just happy to be given a chance, especially with us. However, he has been in the role now for over a year and whilst the results have been slightly better do I believe he can take us where we want to be? I honestly do not see it.

Man City and Liverpool have raised the bar where winning the league has required almost 100 points. We are miles off in terms of reaching this level of consistency and finishing 3rd with a very low points tally of 66 points (not sure how long ago 66 points got you 3rd but know it’s been a while) is not something to get excited about. However, going back to our playing style I definitely do not see how we can make up this type of point deficiency as we do not have an identity. Whilst Pep has possession and pressing at Man City, Klopp has pressing and intensity at Liverpool and even Mourinho has a pragmatic approach I do not see what we have other than being told to work hard. Maybe I am being harsh but even in a short time Arteta has developed a style at Arsenal that looks positive and to be fair has even brought him early success. Going forward Arsenal fans must be excited as are Chelsea fans with their new signings. However, I am more concerned than excited as I am still not sure what we are doing on or off the pitch. We are constantly linked with players but I am more concerned with how we are playing. Last season I pretty much gave up on us when we went a goal down and it was only after Fernandes came in January that we started to look like a team that had more belief. However, whilst I do not see any identity or style of play from us I am also concerned about the balance of the team.

It fair to say Fernandes has had a massive positive effect on the club. However, I do not see a midfield with him and Pogba in it working. I think there is this idea that Pogba can play deeper behind Fernandes but I do not think he is disciplined or trustworthy enough to do this. Pogba spends too much time on the ball or at least wants too much time on the ball but he is playing in a position that he will not get it. I was not surprised when he lost the ball on the edge of the box and Southampton scored against us at the latter part of last season as Pogba loses the ball like this quite a lot but usually it is further up the field so he can get away with it. Maybe they would work together against teams that sit back against and don’t apply pressure but I have concerns about Pogba playing deep. This is also where I question our recruitment as we’ve just signed Van der beek who looks a good player but also someone that plays in a similar position. I understand it’s good to have a squad but how do we fit them all in? If we have a budget due to the pandemic why spend 40million on a player that isn’t going to play? It almost sounds like we are going to put out the best players but not necessarily the best team. I say this as I felt Fernandes played better (and so did the team) when he had either 2 out of Matic/Mctominay/Fred with him than when he had Pogba with him after the pandemic break. The argument would be can you leave your best players on the bench? Maybe not if you have the right system or style but what is our system and style? Without a system or style it does not matter who is playing for you, it won’t work.

Anyway these are my thoughts and concerns to why I do not think Ole is the right man as I do not see any more positive outcomes. I think done a good job and made many improvements but this is as far as he’ll go as I do not think he has the skills to move us forward. Hopefully I am wrong but when I say this to others the first thing they’ll ask me is who do you want? My personal preference is Pochettino. I feel that he is a very good football coach, with a positive approach and can get the best out of others. I also think he is good at helping players develop. The most common argument is that he has not won anything. This is true but at Tottenham he consistently made top 4 without spending much money compared to others. I do think he’s made mistakes like playing an unfit Harry Kane in the champions league final and probably should have done better against us in the semi-final of the FA cup a few years ago but these are experiences I feel he has learnt from. Another reason I want Pochettino is I remember he’s reaction to losing the champions league final where he was heartbroken on the touchline. I feel this pain will motivate him in the future. Pochettino is my preference but I have heard other fans mention other names such as Allegri. Whilst Allegri won trophies at Juventus I do not think he’s the man for us as Juventus do not really have anyone challenging them for the league. Even Sarri just won the league with them and I feel as we are so far behind Man City and Liverpool at the moment we need someone that will help us punch above our weight and I feel Pochettino could do this. My preference is Pochettino but what do others think?

I don’t want my views on Ole to disrespect the job he has done so far as he deserves a lot of credit for squad we currently have. It is full of youth and energy but maybe lacking experience. However, what he started with and what we have now is a lot better and is definitely something to build on which as a fan is very exciting. However, as much as I would love him to be the one that does it I do not think he is the right man. My preference is Pochetinno who is currently available and I worry that we may miss out on him if we leave it too long. When I try to look at this objectively I say to myself if their was a player available that is better than the player you have got would you want your team to buy him? The answer is yes. So would this not be the same case for a manager? I remember when Liverpool sacked Brendan Rodgers and Theirry Henry grabbed Jamie Carragher leg in shock. Now the Liverpool fans I met were split on Brendan Rodgers but they were surprised by the timing more than anything else. However, Klopp was available so they had to do it. Do we need to do the same? Ole currently deserves to be manager as he got us in the champions league which the club management demanded. However, over the long term is he the right choice? What do you think?  


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That was a lot to get of your chest but an enjoyable read.

I'm a United fan as well and never thought about Ole coaching staff until I read what you writ and tbf I agree with a lot of what your saying. I'm still with Ole as I don't think its all he's fault as I am not sure the club are backing him with signings. Today I am hearing we are getting Cavani and I see it as another Sanchez type signing. If we get him then hopefully it will work like it did with Ibrahimovic but it looks a bit desperate as we're running out of time. The recruitment needs to be sorted out and maybe then we'll get better and be moving in the right direction. I think if Ole gets the players he wants then we can judge him but I agree with you that he does need to get better results as well. I see what your saying about how we play as we are unpredictable as one day we look good and fast going forward and on another day we look slow and get dominated by the other team. Maybe your right and Ole is not the right manager and does not have a philosophy but I am not sure about Pochettino either. The fact is he has not won any trophies and did fall out with Spurs at the end. Maybe he is better than Ole with a style of football but that doesn't mean he'll bring success. That being said I do not see a current manager out there that is available that is on Klopp or Guardiola level. We have tried the experienced manager with Van Gaal and Mourinho and now a fan favourite with Ole. Maybe we need to try someone completely out the box like Arsenal did when they got Arsene Wenger and no one seem to know anything about him. The frustrating thing as a fan is when I speak to other United fans we have so many different opinions but don't know how to fix it. One thing we all agree on is that the club is being run wrong and is a complete shambles. We can't complain about money being spent as we have spent nearly a billion since Sir Alex retired. Yet we still need to spent more because of all the mistakes the club management have made and are still making. If we can sort out all the recruitment issues and the running of the club off the pitch then maybe we'll get better results on the pitch. What do you think?  


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I think your right Johnno about the running of the club, especially in this transfer window which has been ridiculous. We have wasted so much money over the past few years so I understand us being cautious but we've become a laughing stock in this window both on and off the pitch. We've just been hammered by Spurs but to be fair it's been coming as Palace could have scored more when they beat us and Brighton should have beaten us as well if they finished better. Whilst I stand by my opinion on Ole not being the right man for us I don't know who would be with the way the club is being managed at the moment. What gets me really angry is that when Ole took over nearly 2 years ago the management came out with a statement saying that we will sort out the recruitment and employ a director of football. Yet where is this director 2 years later? It was reported that we spoke to former players about this like Rio and Fletcher but nothing came from it. I heard Evra came out and said our current recruitment involves people that are more like lawyers so go straight to the point of contract yet don't talk anything about football or try to get to know anything about a player. It really frustrating and does not make any sense and we seem clueless. If we wanted Cavani why didn't we get him for the start of the season? He hasn't played for 7 months so how fit is he? I actually don't think it's such a bad signing as we need some experience but the way we have gone about it looks desperate. It feels like we got a bunch of clowns running our club and I feel sorry for Ole. I spoke to a friend of mine about my first post and Ole not being the right man but also mentioned the running of the club which is annoying. He's response was whilst he agrees Ole is not the right man, if the people running the club are poor then it won't matter who manages as they'll have the same issues. It does make me wonder what the club current strategy is. It would not surprise me if we only brought Van der Beek as the recruitment see him as a player that can make us a profit as 39 million for him is cheap in the current market. Real Madrid had agreed to pay 60 million for him before the pandemic so maybe we saw a bargain. I actually like what I have seen of him in the little he's played so far but him, Pogba and Fernandes will not fit in the same team unless we change formation. If we change formation then I wonder why we have been obsessed with buying a winger. I understand it's good to play in more than one way but going back to my original post what is our style of play? I feel like we pick our team like we are playing FIFA on playstation and just put out our best players and think we're going to win but this isn't a computer game. It is very frustrating and as we don't seem to have any sort of plan all over the club. I still feel that Ole is not the right man as I feel someone else, like Pochettino can get more out of the players and has more knowledge than Ole. However, you are right the bigger issue is the running of the club. I do feel sorry for Ole as unlike Mourinhno he is trying to get on with it and whilst I don't think he is the right man the club management ain't helping him and is making he's job more difficult. 


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This transfer window has shown how poorly we are being run. We wasted so much time not doing anything whilst other teams have got better and then we buy 3 players I've never heard of and an old striker. I am really angry as we've just finished third and rather than improve we've got worse. I don't think we'll finish in the top 4 but now I think top 6 will be pushing it as well. I really want Ole to do well but after the Tottenham game I think you might be right and he needs to go. We haven't started the season well anyway but that performance was terrible. We had no heart or passion and even when we went down to 10 men we gave up rather than fight. I actually started to get annoyed at Ole a bit as well as he just sat there. I know we were losing but it was just like he sat there and did not know what to do or say to the players. Maybe the job is too big for him but I agree with your point that it won't matter who in charge whilst the club is being ran the way it is. What is also worrying is that we seem to be buying young unproven players and our squad is quite young as it is. We could be waiting for years for anything to happen. I don't know what to expect anymore but it's really pissing me off and a lot of United fans I speak to feel the same way.


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Yeah I can understand your frustrations with us. I am not sure what our plans are but when you’re linked with Sancho all summer and then wait till the last day of the transfer window to buy 2 young unheard of wingers it makes you wonder what we’re doing. I feel like we’re looking to buy younger players now and hope they improve so we make a profit on them later on. I doubt Ole asked for these players at the moment but maybe he’s just going with whatever our flow. Ole starting to come across as a ‘yes’ man and it feels like he’ll just carry on through it. I do feel sorry for him as I know he cares about us but if the jobs too big for him as it already is then it’s not gonna help having owners that don’t support you. I still think we need to replace him but watching the way our clubs being run I’m not sure if anyone would want to take the job. I personally want Pochettino but even he might be looking at it and telling himself to avoid it. I mean can we even trust our management when they said they’ll sort out the football side of the club with a football director 2 years ago and yet here we are still without one. We are becoming a laughing stock and unfortunately for Ole that’s now starting to look like the case on the pitch as well. We have got a few hard games coming up and it’s hard to be optimistic. Everything about the club feels negative at the moment. Hopefully we’ll start getting some positive results and performances on the pitch to lift the gloom but it’s difficult to see that happening after the way we’ve started.


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